16 Responses to “Sad”

1. andre klapper Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

   Now that’s a vague post!
   Sad about the campaign itself?
   Or about KSÄ?M’s rise in the local elections, or just fear of Ä?SSD trying to set up coalitions with KSÄ?M because there’s currently no other options to get into power for them? (The latter one is quite similar to the situation of the Social Democrats in Germany.)
   Anyway, I’m expecting interesting & surprising 6 months of EU presidency because of internal fights in the ODS…
   Try to not take politics too seriously, otherwise it can make you damn depressive.

2. tm Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

   some explanation could be nice on what’s sad about that banner, for the non-czech speaking crowd!

3. anonymous Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

   The URL means “February winner” (says Google..), but I think it’s about V??clav Klaus and the EU maybe?

4. Xan Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

   Google Translate tells me it’s a bunch of people that want to make the Communist Party illegal.

5. Tom???? Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

   Xan: that bung is about 40 thousand people, and yes, they want to make it ellegal. After all, it is illegal to promote communism as well as nacism under our law.

6. jimmac Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

   Sad that there’s still so many people voting for them and that history repeating itself isn’t completely unrealistic scenario.

7. Thomas Thurman Says:
   December 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

   Tom????: it’s actually illegal in .cz to advocate for (state/worker/popular) ownership of the means of production?

8. Ian Says:
   December 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am

   “After all, it is illegal to promote communism as well as nacism under our law.”

   Wow, no kidding?

9. Nicu Buculei Says:
   December 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am

   @Thomas Thurman: if it is like in my country, is probably illegal to label yourself as communist and to make propaganda for the totalitarian and extermist part of a communist regime.

   @jimmac: around here is even sadder, we never get the communists away from power in the last 19 years. We had them out of the central government for a few years, but they still remained at power on local administration. And by “communists” I mean the sons of the 2-nd and 3-rd level leadership of the former dictature, self-labeled “social democrats”, turned into capitalist moguls, acting like mafia and lying the voters with leftish propaganda that they do not have the slightest intention to implement. They compromised the “social democracy” concept.

   Duh, under that regime we lost almost entirely the freedom of the press during the last “social democratic” government, in 2000-2004.

10. Martin Says:
    December 26th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t know anything about the czech communist party. If it’s the stalinist, authoritarian kind of “communism”, I don’t support that either. But on principle the basic idea of communism isn’t a bad thing.

    As Tom said, it’s based around the idea of abolishing capitalism (e.g. private ownership of the means of production) and it would be foolish to argue against that on moral grounds.

11. Jakub Steiner Says:
    December 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    The first step to achieve the public ownership is to take it away from the private owners. And I had the pleasure to experience enough of such public ownership in order to know it really only works in theory. Public ownership means no responsibility, no accountability. Just a big pile to steal from.

    I should perhaps be quite happy the system collapsed completely rather than privatized a large extent of the economy like it happened in China. The communist party in my country used a democratic election system to gain power, only to get rid of it as quick as possible and enthrone its totalitarian government with the gruesome informant-driven persecutions.

    So to use your words I’d say it would be foolish to support such false ideology after there is plenty of historical evidence how immoral and inhumane system it grows into.

12. Martin Says:
    December 27th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    No, I don’t support that at all. And I think it’s pretty obvious that no sane, free thinking person would. I live in Germany, and we had our own brand of state capitalism (dubbed “communism”)

    What I said was, that “Communism” per se is not a bad thing. I argue that the authoritarian, stalinist party you protest against (Czech CP) is not communist.

    My definition of communism is simply the political system, where the people rule through a system of direct democracy and where there is no class difference, because all people work for the common good and not for their own enrichment.

    The point of debate is wether or not “common ownership” is possible without one group of people exploiting it for their own purposes. I know this has not worked on a big (as in: a complete state) scale so far. But I still think it is possible. (On a small scale it does work in Chiapas, Mexico)

13. Tom Says:
    January 7th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    § 260 (of the criminal code listing all the felonies and misdemenanors (we do not distinguish these yet even though there is a completly new criminal code that beside other things (like not being still based on a 40-something old and originally communist) does)))
    (1) Kdo podporuje nebo propaguje hnut?­, kter?© prokazatelnÄ› smÄ›?™uje k potlaÄ?en?­ pr??v a svobod Ä?lovÄ›ka nebo
    hl??s?? n??rodnostn?­, rasovou, n??bo??enskou Ä?i t?™?­dn?­ z?????? nebo z?????? v??Ä?i jin?© skupinÄ› osob, bude potrest??n odnÄ›t?­m svobody na jeden rok a?? pÄ›t let.

    roughly:
    Who supports or promotes movements that provably aims to suppress human rights or liberties or that [the movement] promotes nationalistic, racist, religious or class hatred against several people will be punished by 1 to 5 years of imprisonment.

    I hope it is understandable. It does not explicitly say that supporting communism is illegal, but considering the current party still did not condemned the years (1948-89) of totality, that it as far as I know still promotes the abolition of private property (which is a human right acording to the Decalaration of thereof) and that the leading politicians visit parties of former rangers who shot people trying to cross the borders to western Europe, I think the case is clear. Communism is to me in no relevant way different to Nacism after all.

14. jimmac Says:
    January 7th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Uf, I would expect you to support Czech alphabet here:-).

15. tom Says:
    January 7th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    jimmac: I meant to address you and not impersonate in my last post, sorry anyway.

16. jimmac Says:
    January 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am

    There’s some weird charset filters the pinknet guys have set up I never understood. Sorry for giving up on that.

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